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This PNDC analysis contains four sections:

  • Mark's Introductory Remarks
  • Background information
  • The Non-Defensive Interaction
  • PNDC Tips


Mark's Introductory Remarks

I felt quite defensive during this interaction, but instead of reacting in my normally defensive manner, I applied some of the non-defensive communications techniques we learned in the workshop. I am very pleased to say the techniques worked, and that a situation that almost certainly would have resulted in bad feelings turned out well for all concerned. I'm convinced there was a definite turning point in the conversation when I took on the non-defensive posture.

Background Information

The interaction involved a meeting between my boss (John), my co-worker (James), and myself (Mark). The objective of the meeting was ostensibly to review John's task load and see what, if anything, he could off-load off Project A, so that he could spend more time on project Z, which had higher priority. I am the project manager of project Z. The reason that I was to attend this meeting, I was told, was not only because I managed the project in which John wished to get more involved, but also because I worked with John on his other main project- project A. We worked quite well together on project A.

John, my co-worker, had originally wanted to manage project Z. On a few occasions John has "joked" about how he should have been the manager because he is more proficient in certain technical skills that I have to go hunting for when I need certain things done. In fact, John has spent almost no time getting up to speed on the new tools we need for project Z and at this point does not have the technical skills that I now need to determine what approach we should take.

My not-too-kind suspicion is that, because project Z is not his, he did not want to contribute to its success for fear it would end up making me look good. I have since located other willing and capable resources who can give me the technical expertise I need for programming these tools. This fact has not escaped John, who, it seems, has suddenly realized these tools are the future, and if he wants to be a part of that future, he needs to get up to speed-fast.

Non-Defensive Interaction

So now we're at the meeting I mentioned earlier. John has listed on the whiteboard all of his current projects and is lamenting the fact that he has not had time to get up to speed on the tools we are using in project Z. He says that he wants to be heavily involved in the project as a key technical resource. In order to do that, he wants to give up project A. He says he's done the past three major parts of project A, which have consumed his time for five straight weeks. He's paid his dues. He doesn't want to do the next two builds because they use old tools and the new stuff will be on project Z.

James, who became our manager only 5 months ago and who is at this location only 6 days a month, turns to me and says, "Well, Mark, John is right. He's paid his dues. Maybe you should do the next two builds." At this juncture I nearly said, "Now wait just a @#$%^&* minute! I've put in as much time coordinating each phase of project A as he has doing the builds!"

But I didn't. Instead, I paused, took a deep breath, leaned back in my chair, tried to look very earnest (instead of very pissed, which is how I was feeling), and said, "So do you both believe that John has had an unfair share of the project A burden?" I tried to drop the intonation at the end of the question, but truthfully, without a tape recorder, I can't be sure how well I did. In any case, they both scrambled to say that, 'No, of course we realize you've shouldered your share of it, and have done a good job of it, too, and yes, we know that the coordination end of it can be equally time-consuming.'

So! With one well-placed non-defensive question, I got them to say what I wanted to shout at them. From that point on, we focused on how we could share various aspects of project A without either of us totally off-loading it on the other. It turned out to be quite constructive meeting.

PNDC Tips

One: Mark used a type of non-defensive question that falls in the category of asking the other person a question designed to draw out the assumption behind what he is saying. In this case, when James, the manager said, "I think John has paid his dues and maybe you should do the next two builds," Mark believed he was implying (erroneously) that John had done more work on project A than he had, so John should take over the rest of it.

Mark asked what I consider to be a fine non-defensive question, which directly drew that assumption out into the open:

"So, do you both believe that John has born an unfair share of the project A burden?"

I would not use the word "So," which can sound "leading." The question than becomes:

"Do you both believe that John has born an unfair share of the project A burden?"

Two: Although Mark's internal feelings were still defensive, he was able to take a deep breath (always helpful) and ask a question, using a non-defensive format in a calm tone.

Three: Mark's saying he was able to "get" James and John to say what he wanted to scream at them violates the intent of a non-defensive question. While such questions are often disarming and cause others to respond non-defensively, they must function as an invitation to the other person to provide information, not as a way to manipulate.

Four: If Mark is unaware of information that would confirm John had done more than his share on project A, his (Mark's) question would allow Mark to find this out.

Five: If the other person does not want to publicly acknowledge that he/she holds that opinion/attitude/belief, he/she will back off immediately. This is what happened in this case. James and John had to back off from their implication that John had born an unfair share of the burden on project A

Six: If Mark had not questioned the proposed change in job assignments, the change would have been enacted.

Seven: If Mark had argued back angrily, as he had an initial urge to do, he would most likely have prompted a defensive reaction in James and John; he may well have ended up with the unfair job assignment. Even if he had managed to avoid the assignment, residual hard feelings could have affected John's and Mark's ability to work together on both projects.

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The Board Meeting: Going Back "After the Fact"

Marta, who heard my keynote at the Northern California Mediation
Association Conference, belongs to an organization where a difficult
decision was being made by the board after putting in great effort to
gather opinions from the whole group. During a discussion between the
board and the organization members, Gregg was asked what his needs were.
He said, "I don't care, the board is going to do what ever wants to do
anyway."

Of course, after all the effort the board had put in, his comment
shattered the atmosphere in the room. It seemed to Marta and others
that Gregg was suggesting that the board had no intention of really
considering people's opinions. At the moment, she couldn't think of what
to say, but later went up to Gregg, who, she said, often had a negative
attitude. She asked, "Do you think that the board was not going to take
people's opinions into account when they made their decision?" Gregg
looked startled, and said, "No, I just didn't have a strong opinion and
thought that the board would make a good decision either way."

Marta said, asking that question and hearing his answer lifted the frustration she felt toward him. She said, "It would have been so powerful if I could have asked that question at the moment he made his comment, while the whole group was there. At the same time, she was very glad she had followed up instead of just letting it go.

PNDC Tips

It's possible that Gregg was covering his tracks and had truly meant his comment as a vote of no-confidence. Or, perhaps he simply was a bit inept in how he expressed himself. Either way, when asked a question about his beliefs, assumptions, or intentions, he is likely to feel more accountability for how he answers. If he doesn't want to admit his motives, he'll probably back off.

What happened to Marta and others at the board meeting often has a very negative impact and resentments can carry over time. Yet Marta changed the outcome with one question, later. I suspect, next time, she will have stronger skills in the moment. I believe that going back to situations "after the fact" is one of the best ways we can strengthen our skills. It's too hard to "think and act differently" when under pressure. By going back after thinking through how you'd like to handle something, you get practice, as Marta did. With one question, she turned the situation around, and next time, she'll be more likely to think on her feet.

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Professor Reassures Student, Causing Defeat

Mac, a professor told the following story: Every time I presented new material in my logic class, a student, Samantha, would talk to me complaining that just when she had begun to understand the previous material, we'd move on to something new. I used to jump into what I now call "cheerleader mode" [convincing] and tell her that she could in fact understand the material. She would get more emotional, and blame other students in the class, her job, and her children for her inability to understand logic. Eventually, she would leave with a bit more understanding but also (I sensed) emotionally drained.

Today, she again let me know that just when she was beginning to understand something, we had moved on. I could see her emotions building up. I said calmly, "I think that you learn in cycles. You start off not understanding something, but gradually you take it in, until you understand it all. I think that's what's happening now. You've likened yourself to a light bulb that is on sometimes and sometimes off. I think that's right, and I also think that you're like a fluorescent light, and you just need to flicker for a while until you're warmed up." As I said this to her, I could see her frustration melting. When I was done, she said with a confident smile, "Yeah, I think that's right. 'That is what I do. I'm just flickering now, but next week I'll be on!" She left after that in much better spirits than usual."

PNDC Tips

Often when we reassure others, we are actually trying to encourage them by convincing them to think differently. Whenever we try to convince others that they are "wrong-headed" in their thinking, even when we are trying to help them, we increase the odds that they will resist and stay locked into defeat. By expressing our own viewpoint without trying to get the other person to change, he or she is much more likely to be able to hear what we say and feel genuinely encouraged!

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Disrespecting Authority: A Software Development Conflict

  • Background Information
  • Defensive Diaglogue
  • Non-Defensive Dialogue
  • Concluding Comments
  • PNDC Tips

Background information

The software development team at one of our sites is comprised of a group of chemical engineers who have no formal training in software development. They have, however, successfully developed several systems that are currently used within their group. These systems were not developed using corporate development standards- i.e., user-friendly standard function keys, menus, screen layouts, report layouts, etc.

This team is now developing a system that will be used corporation-wide. Their targeted users are accustomed to employing systems that conform to standards; i.e., they "look and feel" alike. I have been assigned to the team to ensure that corporate development standards are followed. I am not being well received.

Defensive Diaglogue

Prior to Powerful Non-Defensive Communication, a typical review session with any one of the developers went something like this:

Janet, calm: After reviewing the screens you have developed, it appears that you did not follow standards. Why not?

Engineer, guarded: We've never followed standards in the past and our systems work just fine. I don't have time to follow your standards now.

Janet, irate: Sorry, but you're going to have to re-do these screens to make them meet standards.

Engineer, yelling: Your stupid standards are impacting my deadline! I'm not going to work overtime just to please you!

Janet, irate: You will change these screens! I'll be talking with your supervisor tomorrow morning!

At that point, the discussion was over and both of us would leave mad. Looking back at that conversation, I now realize that nothing was accomplished. We didn't even communicate!

Non-Defensive dialogue

After taking the Powerful, Non-Defensive Communication workshop, I went back to a review with one of the engineers. The discussion went like this:

Janet, calm: I have reviewed your screens and noticed that there are a few changes that could be made to help them conform to standards.

Engineer, irate: I told you that I was not going to conform to your standards!

Janet, calm: Do you believe that it would be easier or harder for a user to use a new system if it had the "look and feel" of their other systems? [Sharon's note: this question is a little leading, but it seems she asked it non-defensively enough to get a thoughtful response.]

Engineer, seemed confused: Well, I guess it would be easier.

Janet, calm: Do you think it would be easier to develop a system if you didn't have to think about what each screen should have on it?

Engineer, seemed confused: Well, I guess.

Janet, calm: Did you know that these standards were developed by a team of folks that have talked to the users about what is easiest for them to use?

Engineer, still looking confused: No, I didn't know that.

Janet, calm: Does it make any sense to you that by following standards we are able to build systems that "look and feel" alike for all our users.

Engineer, calmer: Yes, I think it does.

Janet, calm: Do you think it takes more time to develop something using standards than it does to develop something without standards?

Engineer, calmer: Probably not.

Janet, calm: Do you understand why I'm asking you to change these screens?

Engineer, calm: Yes, I do.

Janet, calm: Do you think the changes I'm asking you to make will make it easier for the users to use your new system?

Engineer, calm: Well, they might.

Janet, calm: Thank you for your time.

Engineer, calm: I can have these changes ready by tomorrow if you want to come back and look at them.

Janet,calm: I'd be more than happy to come back. Thank you again.

Concluding Comments

I can't believe the difference the tools you gave us made. We actually carried on a civilized conversation. There was no shouting, and I believe he actually saw the importance in using standards. That afternoon he called and commented on how nice it was not to have a shouting match. He said his blood pressure actually went down during the meeting.

These tools really work! I do have to admit that the first time he started raising his voice, I took a deep breath and concentrated on keeping my voice calm and without emotion so I could ask the questions non-defensively. It was hard! But, I did it and it worked!

PNDC Tips

As a rule, people initially see the problem as being created by the other person, so if the situation changes, they think it was because the other person started behaving better. I suspect in this case, when the engineer said it was nice not to have a shouting match, he did not see his own part in creating one. To use another example, the analyst perceived herself always as irate, never shouting, but perceived the engineer as shouting. When he referred to the "shouting match," it seems clear that he perceived both of them as shouting. I think it is possible that she raised her voice also, but was more aware of his volume.

In this interaction, the computer analyst focused only on using questions. She did not make statements of her own, which she could also have done very effectively.

I think some of her questions were a little leading, but she asked them in a neutral enough manner that he gradually dropped his own defenses.

In the following question, Janet asks directly about her own assumption, what she believes to be true, to find out if the engineer sees it the same way. I think this question works very well.

Do you think it would be easier to develop a system if you didn't have to think about what each screen should have on it?

Ultimately, a non-defensive question is not "scripted." Although I offer many formats in the book as guides for asking questions, each of us may create different questions, based on what we are comfortable with.

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